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Those Chicago Protesters really showed Donald Trump, didn’t they?

Trump won the Illinois Republican primary. Even more interestingly:

NATE SILVER 10:12 PM
Did the events of the past week, including the violence at Trump events in Chicago and other places, wind up helping Trump? Perhaps. On average among the five states voting today, Trump won 31 percent of late-deciding voters, according to exit polls. That’s a good-but-not-great number: more late-deciders went to Cruz in Illinois, Missouri and North Carolina, and to Kasich in Ohio. But it’s better than Trump normally does with late-deciding voters; his numbers have often been in the teens or twenties in previous states.

Trump won Illinois by 9, and won Cook County (where Chicago is) 40.7-24.6

Bottom line: the disruptive protesters didn’t prevent anything; they mostly drew negative attention to themselves. And remember if you shout them down, they get to shout you down.

By the way, I am talking about the disruptive protesters and NOT those peacefully practicing their First Amendment rights. I wonder if..in some underhanded way, Trump WANTED the protests and found a way to encourage them? Like him or not, he is not a stupid man and probably a lot smarter than the protesters and those who lauded them.

Trump also carried Florida and North Carolina and is in a tight fight for Missouri; Kasich picked up win number 1 in Ohio.

March 16, 2016 - Posted by | politics, politics/social | , ,

8 Comments »

  1. In the 1980s, in the UK, there was, among a certain element on the Left, the revival of an old idea, previously known as ‘Utopian socialism’. In its modern version it was called ‘prefiguring socialism’. The idea was, where socialists had some power — say, where they were the majority on a local governing council — they would show a little glimpse of what full socialism would be like.

    The American Left — or a significant section of it — has now adopted this strategy, in those places — mainly elite university campuses, but also elsewhere, as in Chicago a few days ago — where it can mobilize some power.

    “This is what it will be like when we take over: we will decide who can speak, who can advocate ideas, who can exist politically, who can have a rally, who can teach.”

    Or, to paraphrase a writer who is undoubtedly unknown to our present would-be Thoughtpolice: Oldthinkers who Unbellyfeel Correctthought will be in trouble.

    Comment by doug1943 | March 16, 2016 | Reply

    • The problem is that Donald Trump really just wants a right wing version of political correctness. That is no good either.

      Comment by blueollie | March 16, 2016 | Reply

      • So we can expect mobs of Trump supporters turning up at Bernie Sanders rallies to try to close them down?

        Comment by doug1943 | March 17, 2016

  2. My guess is “no”, even if Sanders were a threat to win. Here is what I meant: remember some of what Trump said in his speeches (e. g. under his administration, stores will say “Merry Christmas”)? Of course a President cannot mandate that, but that is an example of conservative political correctness. Another example is to legally profile all Muslims.

    Comment by blueollie | March 17, 2016 | Reply

    • Of course there is conservative political correctness: we passed through the nadir of this in the 1950s, when unthinking American nationalism was the norm, and the campuses now dominated by the PC Left, were firing professors who would not sign Loyalty Oaths. I grew up in a town where, if you wrote a letter to the editor of the local paper supporting school integration, and your phone number was accessible, you would be subject to round-the-clock obscene phone calls, at fifteen minute intervals, from organized conservative anti-communists (as they thought of themselves).

      Even today, very few people really believe in Free Speech, certainly not Trump, who has no beliefs or principles of any sort. But we have made substantial progress since the days of McCarthyism, in pulling the majority of the population into some sort of tolerance of dissenting/unpopular views, even if that tolerance is grudging and not deeply rooted on principled foundations.

      For Leftists whose vision of a better society really does include the suppression of Incorrect Views, it makes a certain sort of sense, I suppose, to show us that they mean business. But for everyone else, preventing free speech, political rallies, etc. is insane. Although I believe it is not technically correct to call Trump a fascist, it is certainly the case that some of his statements are congruent to fascism. Nonetheless, it is a profound tactical error to try to prevent him from using the legal channels by which political differences are fought out in democratic societies. Doing so gives his followers moral justification for doing likewise, and they may be a lot better at it than a bunch of college students.

      Comment by doug1943 | March 17, 2016 | Reply

      • Very interesting take on things; thank you! What you say makes sense to me.

        Comment by blueollie | March 17, 2016

  3. Further to ‘conservative political correctness’: I believe that there is a factor in contemporary history that is far undervalued: the multi-ethnic nature of the United States, specifically, its non-European ethnic groups.

    An all-white America could be a very scary thing: there would be nothing structural preventing it from moving, under the right circumstances, in the same direction that many European nations moved during the years between WWI and WWII — not just Italy and Germany, where this development took the most extreme forms, but also several East European nations, and also Spain. Even before such a development, an all-white America fighting wars overseas and simultaneously facing deep economic stress domestically would see a very nasty form of ‘USA ALL-THE-WAY’ national chauvinism develop.

    Fortunately, that cannot happen smoothly in the US, because non-white minorities make up a significant fraction of the population– and an even more significant fraction of its armed forces.

    A second (unrelated) observation: a large part of Trump’s support are white working class people who have been effectively abandoned, or think they have, by both major parties. Although these people have been Republicans, in the main, for the last forty years, it was only because the Republicans seemed like the only alternative to the Democrats. Few of these people were free-market libertarians, (or any sort of libertarian). This worked when Republican rule seemed to be synonymous with economic prosperity and national security, but no longer. Now they think they have found an authentic voice within the Republican Party. That’s why Trump can so easily dismiss central elements of Republican economics, social welfare, and foreign policy, and be cheered by his supporters.

    I think there is something particularly ironic — if not obscene — about elite University of Chicago students, who will go off to be lawyers and marketing managers and editors and website designers, reaping the benefits of globalization, benefitting from cheap immigrant labor, and able in a few years to live all-white gated communities, screaming at people who are below the economic waterline and who are watching the boat fill up. It’s just an act of moral preening and class snobbery.

    I’m not on the Left, but I know that the Old Left — the people who went out and organized the grandfathers of today’s Trump supporters into industrial unions, facing police and vigilante violence while doing so, would have had a different approach. (And note that the grandparents of today’s Trump supporters held far more reactionary social attitudes than their grandchildren do today.) I think their approach would have been a better one, leave aside the issue of free speech and assembly.

    Comment by doug1943 | March 18, 2016 | Reply

  4. […] We saw that this type of thing failed spectacularly in Chicago. […]

    Pingback by State of the Democratic race and moronic activists « blueollie | March 19, 2016 | Reply


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