McNaugton Park Trail Runs 2009: Revisited.
My sleep patterns are still screwed up; I can’t seem to sleep for more than 5-6 hours at a time. Yes, I get tired later and want naps.
Reports of some of the racers
Blogs
Dexter Ryan (winner of the 150 mile)
Sherpa John (150 dnf but made 100)
Jason Zimmerman (50 mile: success)
Travis Lilies (100 mile success)
Ed Kirk (150 DNF but made 100)
Paige Troelstrup (50 mile finish…lots of course photos)
Photos
Story from the ultra-list (reprinted with permission)
will taggart
Miserable. Psychedelic. Fun. Hellish. Cathartic. Awe-inspiring.
Just a few words to describe the overall experience of MPTR this weekend.
My race, briefly:
Started a bit fast, loop 1 in 1:48, brisk, but conversational pace,
rainy, incredible mud. 5th through one loop. The slipping and sliding
took its toll very quickly. I was mud-skiing down these little hills,
and my muscles weren’t ready for that. Had very bad lower back pain
and nausea throughout loop 2. Fell back to 14th or so. Regrouped and
was steady miles 20-70, caught a bunch of people and moved up to tenth
towards 80 miles. Played cat and mouse with Alisa Springman and
Charlotte Vasarhelyi all day. They are tremendous. I figured if I
could hold on and keep I could place in the middle of the survivors,
6th or 7th, which was my goal.
But oh how quickly the worm turns. At about 78 miles, after Heaven’s
Gate, I started crying. Bottom lip quivering, trying to hold back the
tears crying. Now, I’m not an overly emotional person, I probably cry
about once per year for one reason or another. But these were tears of
“joy” as I had convinced myself that I was going to make it. Started
hallucinating.
And at 82.7 it hit me like a ton of bricks. I was fine jogging all the
flats until this point. But at Totem Pole on the 9th loop, the wheels
came off. And hard. You know how you feel the day after you run a hard
race, staggering little baby steps, unable to descend stairs, barely
able to walk? That’s what it felt like then, and that’s how I feel
now. And it hit me very suddenly. I have never had DOMS *during* an
event!
At 85.7 I told one of the aid station workers at Heaven’s Gate that I
had a bad case of the “I don’t want to’s,” and she asked me what was
wrong. The bottom lip started quivering again, and I had to turn away,
pulling my shirt over my head to hide my face. Looking back on it, my
weird emotional responses were almost certainly due to sleep
deprivation. Same with the hallucinations. Pretty much done at this
point.
Got back to start/finish and Hans Dieter-Weishaar was sitting at a
picnic table and I struck up a conversation with him. I was going to
take a nap and zombie-walk one more loop and be done with it. “I
didn’t come all this way to go 90 miles [...] I could continue but
it’s not f—ing worth it. That’s like 20 more hours of this s–t
[...] f–k that [...] I’m not getting f—ing hurt out there,” and so
on.” Good to vent a little bit.
So I did, zombie walked, staggered, one more loop “out there.” I was
passed by 10 people in the last 20 miles, which took me over 9 hours,
including a couple of little naps. Hallucinating very badly towards
the end. DNF @ 100 miles, 31:41. DOMS + sleep deprivation = the end.
–
This was an incredible learning experience for me, and a great
introduction to the sub-culture within a sub-culture group of
ultrarunners who do things like running across America on Route 66
(Phil Rosenstein, nice Porsche, btw!), run Badwater (Nikki Segal) and
absolutely destroy the McNaughton 150 (Ryan Dexter put on a superhuman
display of focus which was incredible to watch, that dude is an
absolute badass.) It’s a bit like the Russian nesting dolls, you know
the ones where each dolls contains another of smaller size? And the
smallest doll contains what? “I’m walking to the Moon baby, the Moon!”
Or maybe the culture map could be described using a Venn diagram, with
mountaineers, ultra-walkers, and runners overlapping to produce this
little unique sub-cultural space. I don’t know, either way it was
great sitting around (or hopefully, running) and talking with all
these great people. Moe the Eagle, whose son Logan is an absolute
BEAST. Oh Canada! Mark Tanaka, who is unbelievably tough. Ulrich Kamm,
Charlotte, Hans, Nikki, Juli, Charlotte, Sherpa John, Adam Prebola,
Andy Weinberg and all the volunteers, Travis Liles (who, in his first
100, placed 4th!), Alisa Springman and others made the trip
worthwhile.
Sitting around watching people finish the 150 this morning was deeply
humbling, those people are just incredible endurance athletes.
I’m wondering how long it will take me to recover. I’d like to race
again within the next couple of months to get the stink of DNF off me.
Something, uh, you know, sane. I’m not even going to think about
another tough trail ultra for awhile, I’m going to try to do some flat
timed events next.
I actually feel good about the whole thing. Wanted to finish, but I’ll
live to fight again. I know how much effort I put in to this thing,
and while I might have been able to actually run a good time on a
decent 100 course, I don’t think I would have learned as much. I
figure if I don’t fail every now and then, I’m probably not pushing
myself hard enough. My aerobic system, nutrition and hydration worked
perfectly, but my muscles weren’t trained for the skiing and steep
downhills, and that, along with the sleep deprivation just knocked me
out. I know now many things I can improve, while other things remain a
mystery. Live and learn.
best,
will
Data for those finishing the 50 mile race or those reaching 100 miles and up:
Note: this source has people listed by race and by whether or not they started early.
1. Final Results for the 100 mile:
1 Joe Winch 52 M 1 23:53:50.0 14:20.3 IA knoxville 164
2 Adrian Belitu 35 M 2 24:21:43.0 14:37.0 IL Chicago 117
3 Reeder Fahnestock 30 M 3 25:23:47.0 15:14.3 NH Dover, NH 136
4 Travis Liles 30 M 4 25:32:54.0 15:19.7 IL Troy 114
5 Laura Waldo 45 F 1 27:06:46.0 16:16.1 MI Ludington 163
6 Jeff Heasley 40 M 5 27:15:09.0 16:21.1 CO Gunnison 256
7 Mark French 36 M 6 28:16:20.0 16:57.8 IN Indianapolis 138
8 Jess Mullen 34 F 2 28:27:22.0 17:04.4 WA Seattle 131
9 Howard Schaub 51 M 7 28:29:09.0 17:05.5 IL Decatur 128
10 Tom Krause 37 M 8 30:26:25.0 18:15.9 IL Western Springs 111
11 Randy Dietz 58 M 9 30:46:58.0 18:28.2 PA Harrisburg 260
12 Carl Benton 44 M 10 30:52:47.0 18:31.7 IL springfield 158
12 Jeremy Dopler 31 M 10 30:52:47.0 18:31.7 IA Davenport 139
14 Vincent Swendsen 46 M 12 31:09:47.0 18:41.9 NC Whispering Pines 133
15 Spencer Swearingen 31 M 13 31:12:04.0 18:43.2 IL Morton 125
16 David Stores 38 M 14 31:24:54.0 18:50.9 MO Washington 124
17 Cheryl Zwarkowski 51 F 3 32:04:53.0 19:14.9 CA Spring Valley Lake 255
17 martin fritzhand 66 M 15 32:04:53.0 19:14.9 oh cincinnati 176
19 Dennis Drey 57 M 16 32:28:39.0 19:29.2 NM Albuquerque 166
20 Jared Fetterolf 20 M 17 32:54:29.0 19:44.7 tx tyler 175
21 Cindy Heisdorffer 51 F 4 33:29:08.0 20:05.5 IA Davenport 140
22 CAREY WEAVER 50 M 18 36:33:23.0 21:56.0 IL Peoria 153
23 Dan Fossier 41 M 19 37:21:58.0 22:25.2 IL Decatur 137
24 Ulrich Kamm 61 M 20 39:18:24.0 23:35.0 CO Littleton 179
25 Aaron Friedrich 20 M 21 45:08:03.0 27:04.8 il Pekin 167
26 Ollie Nanyes 49 M 22 47:45:16.0 28:39.2 IL Peoria 120
27 Gary Bird 50 M 23 47:52:54.0 28:43.7 IN Columbia City 226
28 Joseph Galloway 51 M 24 49:33:07.0 29:43.9 IA Des Moines 106
29 Donna Creditor 48 F 5 49:51:40.0 29:55.0 IL Normal 105
Note: The results are skewed by the facts that
1. Many of the finishers were early starters (started with the 150 mile race) and
2. Though 12 finished the 150 mile race, 26 of the 150 mile starters made it through 100 miles
150 mile finishers
1 RYAN DEXTER 32 M 1 34:42:16.0 13:52.9 WI VERONA 206
2 Mark Tanaka 42 M 2 40:56:43.0 16:22.7 CA Castro Valley 242
3 Paul Stofko 33 M 3 41:49:27.0 16:43.8 CO Loveland 216
4 Logan Beaulieu 37 M 4 43:10:51.0 17:16.3 AB Edmonton 200
5 Regis Shivers Jr 38 M 5 45:18:03.0 18:07.2 OH West Lafayette 252
6 Van Phan 38 F 1 47:39:12.0 19:03.7 WA Maple Valley 222
7 Craig Swartwout 50 M 6 48:55:20.0 19:34.1 WI Waukesha 241
8 Kazimierz Swistun 57 M 7 49:50:34.0 19:56.2 IL Buffalo Grove 253
9 Eric Skocaj 23 M 8 51:06:58.0 20:26.8 IL Pekin 215
10 Tony Covarrubias 48 M 9 51:16:30.0 20:30.6 WA Covington 229
10 Shawn McTaggart 32 F 2 51:16:30.0 20:30.6 WA Renton 234
12 Keith Straw 54 M 10 51:28:27.0 20:35.4 PA Malvern 247
List of 150 mile runners making it to 100 mile (includes 150 mile finishers)
206 RYAN DEXTER 32 M 22:08:03.0 13:16.8
216 Paul Stofko 33 M 23:30:48.0 14:06.5
242 Mark Tanaka 42 M 24:37:43.0 14:46.6
200 Logan Beaulieu 37 M 25:05:32.0 15:03.3
217 Tracy Thomas 47 F 26:58:31.0 16:11.1
243 Adam Prebola 30 M 27:56:36.0 16:46.0
232 Sue Lucas 45 F 28:12:43.0 16:55.6
240 Alisa Springman 34 F 28:28:58.0 17:05.4
241 Craig Swartwout 50 M 28:32:38.0 17:07.6
249 David Corfman 46 M 28:36:06.0 17:09.7
228 Jim Cook 44 M 28:43:02.0 17:13.8
252 Regis Shivers Jr 38 M 29:11:17.0 17:30.8
245 Robert Lebrun 55 M 30:05:37.0 18:03.4
229 Tony Covarrubias 48 M 30:39:54.0 18:23.9
234 Shawn McTaggart 32 F 30:39:55.0 18:24.0
222 Van Phan 38 F 30:57:54.0 18:34.7
247 Keith Straw 54 M 31:08:00.0 18:40.8
253 Kazimierz Swistun 57 M 31:17:53.0 18:46.7
244 Will Taggart 34 M 31:41:06.0 19:00.7
215 Eric Skocaj 23 M 32:15:13.0 19:21.1
239 Nikki Seger 47 F 32:22:40.0 19:25.6
212 Ed Kirk 53 M 32:53:09.0 19:43.9
220 Sherpa John Lacroix 27 M 36:16:11.0 21:45.7
221 Chase Marsden 18 M 38:50:59.0 23:18.6
209 Paul Hanaki-Martin 45 M 42:26:39.0 25:28.0
236 Joseph Neubauer 61 M 47:47:07.0 28:40.3
50 mile finishers
1 James Roche 21 M 1 8:47:55.0 10:33.5 IL Normal 190
2 Matthew Condron 42 M 2 9:11:54.0 11:02.3 IL Libertyville 65
3 Jason Elliot 35 M 3 9:28:12.0 11:21.8 IL Champaign 73
4 Rachel Furman 26 F 1 9:40:05.0 11:36.1 IL Edelstein 7
5 Aaron Pleitner 21 M 4 9:56:56.0 11:56.3 IN West Lafayette 77
6 Drew Deppen 25 M 5 10:04:03.0 12:04.9 IA Davenport 98
7 Cougarbait Eyerly 44 M 6 10:16:53.0 12:20.3 IA Lisbon 198
8 Todd Winget 1 M 7 10:22:45.0 12:27.3 unknow 262
9 Adam Schmidt 34 M 8 10:34:17.0 12:41.1 MI Ann Arbor 14
10 John Jorgensen 53 M 9 10:39:02.0 12:46.8 IA Clinton, IA 52732 87
11 Kevin Bradshaw 40 M 10 10:43:07.0 12:51.7 IA Coralville 96
12 Damon Ehrett 18 M 11 10:47:43.0 12:57.3 IL Pekin 199
13 William Mcalpine 35 M 12 10:53:26.0 13:04.1 IA Boone 89
14 David Timmsen 33 M 13 11:05:46.0 13:18.9 IA Davenport 21
15 jaketrailblazergirl! vernon 40 F 2 11:07:12.0 13:20.6 IA knoxville 46
16 John Williams 21 M 14 11:10:59.0 13:25.2 IN West Lafayette 81
17 Matt Stockdale 28 M 15 11:17:14.0 13:32.7 IL Crest Hill 70
18 Thomas Waterman 49 M 16 11:29:15.0 13:47.1 IA Pleasant Valley 28
18 John DeDoncker 44 M 16 11:29:15.0 13:47.1 IA Bettendorf 97
20 Mark Carlson 46 M 18 11:30:25.0 13:48.5 in Indianapolis 27
21 Michael McDaniel 44 M 19 11:32:12.0 13:50.6 IL Peoria 41
22 Jeremy Griswold 32 M 20 11:33:51.0 13:52.6 MI Muskegon 37
23 Sean Peecher 37 M 21 11:33:53.0 13:52.7 MI Dearborn 43
24 Adam Clapper 34 M 22 11:38:40.0 13:58.4 MO Columbia 36
25 Mary Gorski 46 F 3 11:42:35.0 14:03.1 WI Milwaukee 86
26 Thomas Neidenbach 45 M 23 11:51:17.0 14:13.5 IL Glen Ellyn 13
27 Jason Voccia 27 M 24 11:53:32.0 14:16.2 IL Aurora 49
28 Kevin Cox 44 M 25 11:53:37.0 14:16.3 IL Batavia 18
29 John Turner 50 M 26 11:55:25.0 14:18.5 ON Burlington 186
30 Dominic Guinta 38 M 27 11:57:50.0 14:21.4 IL lake zurich 57
31 Doug Williams 44 M 28 12:04:39.0 14:29.6 IN Lafayette 92
32 Jason Zimmerman 34 M 29 12:07:21.0 14:32.8 IL Eureka 52
33 Matt Davidson 24 M 30 12:11:41.0 14:38.0 IL Chicago 82
34 Lynn Hawbaker 60 M 31 12:23:05.0 14:51.7 IA Bettendorf 25
34 Mark Stegmaier 53 M 31 12:23:05.0 14:51.7 IA Davenport 80
36 Russell Pigatto 24 M 33 12:28:16.0 14:57.9 IL Chicago 90
37 Bill Dey 49 M 34 12:31:04.0 15:01.3 IL Champaign 6
38 Ashley Harrington 25 F 4 12:31:45.0 15:02.1 IL Elburn 194
39 adam campbell 27 M 35 12:34:33.0 15:05.5 IL pekin 32
40 Dexter Litwiller 34 M 36 12:40:10.0 15:12.2 IL Deer Creek 88
41 Tony Carl 55 M 37 12:40:15.0 15:12.3 IA Muscatine 33
42 Stephen Lamson 51 M 38 12:41:35.0 15:13.9 MN Oakdale 38
43 Stan Zygmunt 46 M 39 12:49:18.0 15:23.2 IN Valparaiso 53
44 Adam Echter 29 M 40 12:52:19.0 15:26.8 NY Rochester 84
45 Staci Yehl 35 F 5 12:52:46.0 15:27.3 IL Hudson 94
46 Cullen Howe 36 M 41 12:53:41.0 15:28.4 NY New York 75
47 Joe Timmsen 38 M 42 12:54:00.0 15:28.8 IA muscatine 54
48 Bob Nelson 56 M 43 12:56:50.0 15:32.2 IA Davenport 42
49 Christopher Braun 34 M 44 13:12:13.0 15:50.7 IL Wilmette 23
50 Gena Bonini 46 F 6 13:14:52.0 15:53.8 MO Saint Louis 165
51 Paige Troelstrup 27 F 7 13:17:58.0 15:57.6 IL Chicago 17
52 Michael Hall 34 M 45 13:17:59.0 15:57.6 VT Burlington 196
53 Beth Simpson-Hall 50 F 8 13:18:44.0 15:58.5 WI Bayside 187
54 Casey Lopez 32 M 46 13:20:31.0 16:00.6 WI Wauwatosa 193
55 John Gleason 26 M 47 13:25:05.0 16:06.1 IL Glenview 24
56 Gary Tinker 45 M 48 13:26:22.0 16:07.6 IL Wheaton 22
57 Steve Riportella 43 M 49 13:26:23.0 16:07.7 IL Des Plaines 20
58 Jim Wilson 49 M 50 13:29:27.0 16:11.3 mn St Paul 184
59 Jerry Davison 51 M 51 13:37:56.0 16:21.5 IL West Peoria 63
60 Ryan Hawkins 31 M 52 13:41:45.0 16:26.1 IL Metamora 26
61 Charity Vitkus 18 F 9 13:42:24.0 16:26.9 IL Aurora 47
62 Michael Gibson 37 M 53 13:42:28.0 16:27.0 IA Davenport 8
63 Mary Beck 36 F 10 14:13:59.0 17:04.8 IL Bolingbrook 56
64 Max Chapman 64 M 54 14:37:04.0 17:32.5 IL East Peoria 35
65 Timothy Gallagher 34 M 55 14:45:13.0 17:42.3 IL Chicago 62
66 bruce purdy 52 M 56 14:47:45.0 17:45.3 MI manchester 69
67 Beth Haynes 44 F 11 15:02:41.0 18:03.2 IL East Peoria 58
68 Robert Yehl 35 M 57 15:22:26.0 18:26.9 IL Hudson 93
69 Jorge Amaro 61 M 58 15:45:53.0 18:55.1 IL New Lenox 9
70 Scott Hoag 42 M 59 16:00:41.0 19:12.8 ia Dewitt 263
71 Jerry Shepherd 44 M 60 16:41:31.0 20:01.8 IN INDPLS 78
72 Neil Short 61 M 61 17:20:57.0 20:49.1 WY Casper 79
73 Phil Wright 65 M 62 18:05:28.0 21:42.6 CA San Ramon 51
74 Ryan Scoles 21 M 63 18:46:51.0 22:32.2 IL Macomb 189
75 Brett Kinkead 24 M 64 18:46:53.0 22:32.3 IL Pekin 11
76 Laurie Eash 48 F 12 18:52:34.0 22:39.1 IA Muscatine 99
77 Lindsae Baldes 26 F 13 18:57:46.0 22:45.3 IL Chicago Ridge 61
77 dustin marsden 24 M 65 18:57:46.0 22:45.3 il pekin 192
79 Katie McCullough 40 F 14 19:22:58.0 23:15.6 WI Middleton 40
80 Mo Fraley 46 F 15 19:23:00.0 23:15.6 WI Waunakee 15
81 Jana Kiefer 55 F 16 20:08:15.0 24:09.9 IL Bloomington 10
82 Mrs. Cecilia Picklemeyer 36 F 17 25:34:40.0 30:41.6 IL Chicago 66
82 Mrs. Deanna Picklemeyer 33 F 17 25:34:40.0 30:41.6 IL Oak Park 67
84 Mrs. Nancy Picklemeyer 42 F 19 27:56:39.0 33:32.0 IL Chicago 68
85 Philip Vitkus 55 M 66 29:27:29.0 35:21.0 IL Aurora 48
Burn!!!!!!!!!!!
There is a physics blog called Cosmic Variance; it is one of my regular reads. Check out this latest post:
Do not be alarmed! The blog has not Gone Galt in protest of the encroaching socialist menace, or have we been dumping teabags in public parks at outrage over Obama’s tax cuts. Sometimes, you know, the real world gets in the way.
But the internet chugs on! Especially here at Discover. And a good thing, too. Of late:
* You may have heard the news that celebrity blogger Phil Plait and Discover CEO Henry Donahue made a bet — against themselves, basically — and lost. Or won, depending on how you look at it. The bet was whether Bad Astronomy could get two million page views in a month, and the stakes were permanent: tatoos for everyone! Phil is thinking about a galaxy, while Henry is going for something more piscatorial, in the best tradition of scientific tattoos.
* If Cosmic Variance gets over two million page views next month, I hereby promise that Julianne will get a tattoo. [...]
Ok, innocuous enough…. but then we come to:
Explain evolution in two minutes! It’s biology, right, how hard can it be? This is a contest to make a video that communicates the idea of evolution in 120 seconds or less.
Ooooohhhh….burn sizzle! True, physics and mathematics are harder than biology but it is a bit impolite to bring that up….
Seriously, physics is, in general more mathematical that biology but biology deals with things that are, in many ways, more complicated to model. Try reading a biology paper; the amount of jargon and concepts that one has to juggle are immense.
I Fess Up: I don’t fit in.
This post ultra week has given me lots of time to think. I’ve come to the conclusion that I am just not suited for some of the things that I am doing in my life.
Volunteer Stuff One of the ways that I give back to the community is that I volunteer substitute teach yoga classes (at a Park District Gym) and I help out at our running club’s “Building Steam” class each year. The idea is to get a new runner or walker up to being able to finish the Steamboat 4 mile run (or walk). Yes, the course is pancake flat over roads.
Why I do these activities: Mostly I was asked to; in yoga class the teacher noted that I had an interest in improving my poses and that I attended regularly and practiced on my own.
In running/walking: people noticed that I race frequently and that I’ve run and walked long distances; no I was never that successful (1996 to now PRs are 5:43 mile, 19:53 5K, 41:27 10K, 1:34 half marathon, 3:38 full marathon; in the walks I went (judged): 8:31 1500 meters, 30:42 5K, B judging: 2:17 half marathon, 88 miles for the 24 hour), 4:44 marathon, 101 miles 24 hours unjudged.
So I’d be perfect to lead the walking group, right? Wrong.
What is going wrong: my attitude. I’ve noted that the coaches that seem to be the most popular (and effective in terms of getting people to stay with it) are the ones that gush and use adjectives like “awesome”, “amazing” and “fantastic” all over the place.
I just can’t do that! To me: 3:36 for the judged 50K racewalk is amazing. A 2:06 running marathon is awesome.
Getting through a mundane race under the cut-off is a “good job” and not much more than that; I can’t make myself lie to them.
Fortunately, I asked a bubbly sort of person to help out and she has taken over; she joked with me “I’ll do the foo-foo stuff; you do the training” and that worked very well.
Yoga: same sort of thing. My regular teacher just gives out class praise all over the place; ok she has given me harsh blunt criticism at times, but only in private. But she can gush over the most incompetent overweight out of shape newcomer.
I can’t do that. I can say “that is better” or “that is a step in the right direction” but that’s about it.
College Teaching
I do ok with a certain type of student. For the student who wants to be gushed over: nope, I can’t do it. For the student who likes a well earned pat on the back from time to time: sure. I can do that. But no performance in our undergraduate classrooms can get me to gush over a student; after all they are mostly learning what someone else has already discovered.
What is worth gushing over: John Milnor solving a major open problem in mathematics while in HIGH SCHOOL. Oh yes, he won a Fields Medal.
3quarksdaily: Colbert Nation saves America from Gay Marriage!
The way that I see it: if gays want to make themselves as miserable as the rest of us, let them.
Pink Chimps and Fat People in Airliners

This chimp lost its hair. Do you still think that we aren’t related?
Obese passengers might soon have to buy two tickets to fly on United Airlines. The company says “for the comfort and well-being” of all their customers, they have a new policy for passengers who:
- Can’t fit into a single seat
- Can’t properly buckle the seat belt using an extender
- Can’t put the seat’s armrests down when seatedIf there are extra seats available, the passenger will be moved next to an empty seat at no charge. But if the flight is full, they either have to buy an upgrade to business or first class where the seats are bigger or change to another flight and buy a second seat.
United says they decided to adopt the policy after getting more than 700 complaints last year from passengers who didn’t have a comfortable flight because the person next to them quote “infringed on their seat.”
[...]
But United isn’t the first to charge extra for overweight passengers… in fact, now they’re on the same page as the other five biggest U.S. carriers. This is something that presumably could affect millions of people when you consider that about one-third of Americans are obese — that’s double the rate from 30 years ago.Here’s my question to you: Should obese passengers have to pay for two seats when they fly?
I don’t have any answers. But I can say this: all too often we try to decide policy in anger. Some of us don’t like the obese. Some obese people feel picked on.
So, I’d phrase the question this way: what should an airline do if, say, the passenger was 7 foot 6 inches tall and of proportional width?
I can see many sides: many times a large person has to pay more for clothes (more material needs to be used) and for other things. Hence it is more expensive for some large people to do certain things, even if there is no “fault” involved.
But deciding things based on anger is no good.
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