Amusing Debate Moments and Interesting Comments from Pundits

John McCain is proud of me!
Or is he proud of these people:
I report, you decide.
Another funny moment:
And still another one (“even Fox News disputes that”)
Now for the pundits…
Some pundits are angry that voters decide for themselves who won!
David Gregory repeatedly proclaimed McCain’s “I’m not Bush. If you wanted to run against him, you should have run 4 years ago” to be The Line Of The Night. He clearly wanted it to be a defining moment of the campaign.
But something held Gregory and his colleagues back. That was the knowledge that snap polls were coming, and the likelihood that those polls would show Obama to be the winner.
Andrea Mitchell articulated it directly — and sniffily — saying that McCain had won on points, whether the polls would reflect that or not.
And there is more:
K-Lo never disappoints.
I Just Don’t Get [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
any of the insta polls, which seem to give it to Obama.There’s nothing like befuddled conservatives wondering what happened to their “conservative America”.
Update: And if you want more out-of-touch Republicans, just read down the entire NRO page and laugh at their words during the debate. You’ll see things like:
Surf there to check out the fun!
The actual results?
CNN: Obama wins 58-31.
CBS: Obama wins 53-22 among independents.Who is most in touch with independents and the American people? Hint: Not the deluded folks at the National Review, fresh off kicking their founder’s son off the magazine.
But it is fun to read what some of my trolls visitors say too.
Ok let me make one thing clear
I certainly respect expert opinion: e. g., the scientist that talks about the new discovery, or the economist who explains what went wrong and what me might do to go forward, or the historian that reminds us of past events along with their similarities (and differences) with current events.
And I enjoy political operatives explaining how they think that the candidates should make their case. But what is absurd is pundits trying to tell us how the debate when over when in fact the polls tell us. Of course CNN claims that their sample oversampled Democrats but guess who was watching in larger numbers?
Note also from CNN’s poll:
Who did the best job in the debate?
Independents
McCain (R) 31
Obama (D) 57Republicans
McCain (R) 68
Obama (D) 18Democrats
McCain (R) 5
Obama (D) 88
Independents went for Obama, and even while most Republicans gave the edge to McCain, clearly on the whole, Democrats were happier with their candidate than the Republicans were with theirs.
Now I acknowledge that Obama was a more popular candidate with Democrats than McCain was with Republicans (to begin with) and even some of the Republicans I talked to in Iowa weren’t thrilled with McCain being at the top of their ticket (of course, he didn’t really campaign there during the primaries; that was mostly a Romney versus Huckabee show.).
Off for a run.
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