Sarah Palin vs. Joe Biden: vote on who won! Note: Palin made a huge Gaffe!

Workout notes 4000 yard swim; I was bit sleepy as I stayed up too late last night. 500 easy (8:47), 5 x 100 (25 sfs/75 free) on the 2 (1:50-1:55), 5 x 200 on the 3:30 (3:15, 3:15, 3:14, 3:13, 3:13), 500 stroke, 5 x 200 on the 3:30 (3:19, 3:17, 3:16, 3:16, 3:16), 500 cool-down.

I wasn’t at my sharpest, but it wasn’t bad (by my standards) either.

The Palin-Biden debate

This post is ordered:
1. Who won: places to vote.
2. Palin’s big gaffe: she misstated McCain’s position on bankruptcy and mortgages.
3. A good snark on Palin’s performance.
4. Debate videos and campaign commercials spun off from the debate.

1. Who won?

Make your voice heard here:

• L.A. Times poll
• NBC poll
• CNN poll (scroll down, on right)
• AOL poll
• Wall Street Journal poll
• Guardian poll
• Politico poll (scroll down, on right)
• The Drudge Report poll
• Townhall poll
• Fox News poll

The results as of 9:25 am, Central time:
LA Times: Biden 92 Palin 7
MSNBC: Biden 76.7 Palin 20.2
CNN: Biden 67, Palin 28
AOL: Palin 47, Biden 45 (debate), Biden 49, Palin 48 (better VP)
WSJ: Biden 50.5, Palin 49.0 (hat tip to postsimian)
Guardian: Biden 83.4, Palin 16.6
Politico: Biden 84, Palin 14
Drudge: Palin 70, Biden 28
Town Hall: Biden 57, Palin 41
Fox News Biden 59, Palin 41

When you are a Republican and you win neither Fox News nor Townhall, you are in big trouble.

Update Peoria Journal Star Poll (58-42, Biden with 512 votes so far)

My Daily Kos Poll Biden 97-1 (516 votes so far)

2. Palin’s HUGE Gaffe

(hat tip to a Daily Kos diary writer)

Via ABC:

ABC News’ Teddy Davis Reports:

Sarah Palin got her facts wrong in Thursday’s debate with Joe Biden when discussing where John McCain stands on new protections for homeowners facing foreclosures.

The Alaska governor incorrectly made it sound like McCain supports giving bankruptcy judges the power to rewrite mortgage payment terms on first homes.

He doesn’t.

The McCain campaign confirms to ABC News that Palin misstated McCain’s position.

“No, that is what is called the cramdowns, which is so objectionable that Obama didn’t even want it jammed into the stabilization bill,” said McCain spokesman Brian Rogers when asked if McCain supports giving bankruptcy judges the power to re-adjust the interest rate and principal to help people stay in their homes.

Palin’s mistake came when the debate’s moderator asked her if Biden was right in thinking that she and McCain oppose giving bankruptcy judges this new power.

“[W]e should be allowing bankruptcy courts to be able to re-adjust not just the interest rate you’re paying on your mortgage to be able to stay in your home, but be able to adjust the principal that you owe, the principal that you owe,” said Biden. “That would keep people in their homes, actually help banks by keeping it from going under.

“But John McCain, as I understand it,” he continued, “I’m not sure of this, but I believe John McCain and the governor don’t support that. There are ways to help people now. And there — ways that we’re offering are not being supported by — by the Bush administration nor do I believe by John McCain and Governor Palin.”

“Governor Palin, is that so?” asked PBS’ Gwen Ifill.

“That is not so,” said Palin, “but because that’s just a quick answer.”

The Alaska governor then quickly changed the subject to energy.

By the way, though Palin brought energy several times, all she said was:
1. We ought to be drilling more and
2. Natural Gas is good and
3. Alaska is building a pipeline and
4. Obama voted for the 2005 energy bill (Illinois is a corn growing state) and
5. It is good to consider lots of energy sources.

But I digress:

ACORN, a liberal group which advocates on behalf of low- and moderate-income people, seized on Palin’s seeming endorsement of the Obama-Biden position and is now trying to use them to pressure McCain to change his official position.

“Sarah was just being Sarah,” ACORN’s Charles Jackson told ABC News. “It’s clear from the transcript that she supported the provision that Senator Biden brought up. We’ll see if McCain’s handlers will allow her to continue to hold that position tomorrow.”

ACORN would like the Republican presidential nominee to change his position but the McCain campaign has already made it clear that is not going to happen.

3. As far as Palin’s answers, this Daily Kos diary pretty much got it right:

4. Videos and Commercials from the Debate

McCain no maverick

Joe Biden: personal story

Barack Obama’s attack ad on McCain’s health care plan

John McCain’s attack ad on Joe Biden

Note: Barack Obama supports clean coal; check out his website or his previous speeches. Also Barack Obama said that he would meet with Iranian leaders; the wacky Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad does not control foreign policy nor does he control the military. The military is controlled by the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei even though John McCain is unaware of this:

At least Joe Biden brought this up (once) during the debate.

Palin on climate change Go ahead an excuse her transposing climate change and man made remark. Her note cards were probably hard to read.

Biden’s last line says it all: