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In a few minutes I am going to pick up a friend and drive to a local 5K run. I’ll run this race (or attempt to
) and see what happens. It is two laps through a zoo.
Last night’s debate McCain’s spin is hilarious:
Hmmm, admitting when your opponent is right is a bad thing? Well, to wingnuts: probably.
But during the debate, there were times when McCain declared “he just doesn’t understand…”
At that point I would have lost it and said something like: “I don’t understand? You, someone who doesn’t know the difference between Shiite and Sunni terrorist groups, someone who doesn’t know how the Iranian leadership is structured, someone who doesn’t know the situation on the ground in Iraq are in no position to lecture anyone about not understanding the basics”.
But instead Obama kept his cool, made his points and moved on.
Evidently, that came across very well.
Several positive reviews for Obama. A CBS News instant poll finds:
40% of uncommitted voters who watched the debate tonight thought Barack Obama was the winner. 22% thought John McCain won. 38% saw it as a draw.
68% of these voters think Obama would make the right decision
about the economy. 41% think McCain would.49% of these voters think Obama would make the right decisions about Iraq. 55% think McCain would.
And even Time’s Mark Halperin weighs in with his grades: Obama A-, McCain B-.
Update: CNN’s poll has all Obama winning overall, on the economy and on Iraq:
Who Did the Best Job In the Debate?
Obama 51%
McCain 38%Who Would Better Handle Economy?
Obama 58%
McCain 37%Who Would Better Handle Iraq?
Obama 52%
McCain 47%
OXFORD, Mississippi (CNN) — A national poll of people who watched the first presidential debate suggests that Barack Obama came out on top, but there was overwhelming agreement that both Obama and John McCain would be able to handle the job of president if elected.
Most debate watchers agreed both McCain and Obama would be able to handle the job of president if elected.Most debate watchers agreed both McCain and Obama would be able to handle the job of president if elected.
The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey is not a measurement of the views of all Americans, since only people who watched the debate were questioned and the audience included more Democrats than Republicans.
Fifty-one percent of those polled thought Obama did the better job in Friday night’s debate, while 38 percent said John McCain did better.
Men were nearly evenly split between the two candidates, with 46 percent giving the win to McCain and 43 percent to Obama. But women voters tended to give Obama higher marks, with 59 percent calling him the night’s winner, while just 31 percent said McCain won.
“It can be reasonably concluded, especially after accounting for the slight Democratic bias in the survey, that we witnessed a tie in Mississippi tonight,” CNN Senior Political Researcher Alan Silverleib said. “But given the direction of the campaign over the last couple of weeks, a tie translates to a win for Obama.
Of course, McCain did well among his base, as did Obama:
Independents in the MediaCurves focus group “gave the debate to Obama 61-39. They also think he won every individual segment. Republicans gave the debate to McCain 90-10, Democrats to Obama 93-7.”
How do I see it: I saw it a bit differently: to me, McCain came across as not knowing what he was talking about whereas Obama came across as being in command of the facts and in command of himself. But most people who saw it that way were already pro-Obama.
This was sort of an Al Gore moment for McCain in that he appeared irritated, angry, inpatient and wouldn’t even look at Obama. His face revealed a great deal of contempt; sort of a “how dare you challenge me” sort of thing.
Frankly, that didn’t bother me. But evidently it bothered many others.
The difference between McCain and Gore though is that, while both men showed contempt for their opponent and it cost them, Gore is smart and McCain is a dunce.
In short, Obama won, but not in the way that I wish he would have won. That is why, when I exclaim “well, I would have said X, Y or Z and had done A, B, and C” my wife smiles at me and says “that is why Obama is up there and YOU are in front of the TV, watching him.”
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Keep citing CNN and TIME and the like… What a joke. I’m sure that gives you great comfort to be in the company of other loony liberals who are charter members of the Obama Kool-Aid Club.
I guess you haven’t had time to gather your talking points from DailyKos and MSNBC yet or you would be racing to post those too! Regardless of your rhetoric and expected blatantly biased (and amateurish) spinning, Obama looked flustered and fussy most of the debate and was as stiff as a freshly-pressed dress shirt—which, by the way, complements his empty suit.
The winner is Jim Lehrer. He conducted the debate very professionally. McCain has to stop showing his frustrations and anger.
When will you see that Obama veered off of the subject line so many times to other subjects that he did not answer the questions. Mccain stayed on task. Now wait he did answer the question to his same rhetoric as always whoich is a sum of about 5 lines and then had to add other things so he could have a 2 minute answer. By the way I am orginally from PA. I just made a visit there. Obama you have an uphill battle there. SURPRISE SURPRISE!
In all honesty, I have a hard time seeing how the public sees debates, and I have trouble getting a feel for how the independent would view the deportment of the candidates.
Back in 2000, I knew that Gore would have trouble because he showed exasperation with Bush even though he had a better command of the facts.
From the comments here, it is easy to see that the Republicans thought that their candidate won, and from comments I heard this morning, Democrats were happy with Obama.
Time will tell how the independents and non-committed voters saw it; the polls I cited and the clips (one of them from Fox News!) seem to indicate that Obama did well with the independents and non-committed.
I will make one comment on a specific: I disagree with Keith Olberman on one issue. Olberman said that McCain’s best line was that the next President will have to figure out how to get out of Iraq and not worry about whether to go in or not.
Where that is a true statement, it misses Obama’s point. Obama has made it clear that he will use better judgment than McCain as to whether or not to go to war during the next crisis, and that had appeal to some independent voters (if the NPR interviews were to be believed).
Bolsonon: do you have anything of substance to add? If so, please do so. We can call each other cool-aid drinking idiots; that is easy enough to do.
At least Carol attempted to make a coherent point about McCain staying on topic a bit better than Obama did (I disagree; McCain digressed to yesteryear too much), but at least it was a point of substance.