Olympic Boxing: the Boxers rock, the scoring sucks!
At least I am not the only one who is disgusted with how the Olympic boxing matches are being scored:
The executive supervising the Olympic boxing competition sees no serious problems with the judging in Beijing despite widespread complaints from athletes and coaches, particularly those who have fought Chinese boxers.
Terry Smith, the technical delegate from the International Boxing Association (AIBA), emphasized the subjective nature of boxing’s electronic scoring system Friday when addressing the frustration and disappointment of Olympic fighters who have ripped the Beijing judging.
“I’m always aware of criticism,” Smith said, though he later added that he wasn’t aware of the international outcry over the Beijing results. “I don’t think we’ve ever run a major tournament in our lives without picking up criticism. It goes with the (AIBA) patch. … I’m very satisfied that in my opinion, we’ve found the right winner on each occasion this week.”
Britain’s Joe Murray and Ukraine’s Oleksandr Klyuchko complained loudly after losing opening-round bouts to boxers from China, which had seven fighters still alive in the tournament despite a relatively young program with little international success.
Several other fighters have expressed frustration after various losses, from U.S. flyweight favorite Rau’shee Warren to unsung French welterweight Jaoid Chiguer, who controlled his bout against Uzbekistan’s Dilshod Mahmudov on Thursday night, but lost 8-3.
Chinese lightweight Hu Qing, whose victory over Klyuchko prompted Ukraine to lodge an unsuccessful protest with AIBA, recorded another debatable result Friday in beating Kazakhstan’s Merey Akshalov 11-7. Akshalov was credited with just one point over the final two rounds as Hu rallied for the win.
Smith dismissed the widely held notion that China is getting favorable treatment at Workers’ Gymnasium. He also defended the overall low scoring in the tournament, saying AIBA’s assemblage of the world’s best 34 referees and judges is naturally less generous about what constitutes a scoring blow.
Less generous indeed; boxers are getting 8 counts on their opponents while not getting credit for a punch.
How about this: judges score each round on a 10 point must system and the tallies be displayed between rounds?
U.S. coach Dan Campbell might have been speaking for many nations when he described his team’s attitude toward judging at big international events after Warren’s one-point loss in his opening-round bout.
“One of the things we’ve tried to impress on our kids is that the judges can really change the outcome of a fight,” Campbell said. “Every time Rau’shee would score, somehow (his opponent) got points also. … Some things you just don’t ever want to say, so I won’t, but it was just weird the way the scoring was.”
AIBA selected its 34 Olympic judges, who also rotate as referees, through a lengthy evaluation progress beginning at last year’s world championships in Chicago. As the IOC demands, they represent every part of the world, with no extra membership allotted to the most prolific boxing areas.
Smith said AIBA is aware of the public perception that some officials may not have the reflexes necessary to consistently score bouts with the red-and-blue buttons that must be pushed almost simultaneously to mark a successful punch. AIBA is attempting to recruit new officials in their 20s to train for upcoming international tournaments.
“We’ve got millions of people watching this sport, (and) we’ve got thousands in the arena,” Smith said. “I would love to make everyone happy. That’s an impossibility.”
It is too darned hard to measure each and every punch. Let the judges judge; they way it is right now scoring is similar to the way that a computer game is played.
The sad thing is that this lousy method of scoring is detracting from the outstanding action.
Here are some bouts that caught my eye:

Russia’s Sergey Vodopyanov got upset by India’s Akhil Kumar (Bantamweight (54 kg)). The fight ended in a tie but Kumar won the tiebreaker. Basically Kumar’s unorthodox style (hands down, tons of fake type motions) befuddled the more orthodox Vodopyanov.

Arturo Santos Reyes of Mexico, dominated Alaa Shili of Tunisia in a featherweight bout. Reyes employed a pro-style multiple punch attack; he stayed in front, covered and then launched a variety of lethal combinations. Shili got one 8 counts and was cut in a couple of places.

Raynell Williams of the U.S. was defeated by Khedafi Djelkhir of France in a featherweight bout. Djelkhir constantly moved forward and yet had an effective defense; Williams’ punches constantly landed in Djelkhir’s gloves. Williams got behind and could never overcome the deficit.
This was one bout in which too few of the punches got scored (on both sides).

In an entertaining bantamweight bout, John Joseph Nevin, Ireland, was overwhelmed by Badar-Uugan Enkhbat of Mongolia.
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I must agree. I am a national 3rd level official. I judge and referee. I became an official because of the cheating that was taking place on the local level of where I am from. They were using the 20 point system then. So I know how to judge the old way, with the clickers and on the computer. Both the clickers and the computer are so unfair to any amateur boxer. I watched at the USA “Future Stars” National championship as my son, who is currently ranked 3rd in the nation, was competing against Dan O’Connor. The final score of the 4 round bout was 2 – 18 with my son only scoring 2 points for all four rounds. I have received awards for my judging and was picked as one of five top judges at this tournament, so I am extremely confident in what I am watching and scoring. I watched intensely as my son boxed and watched the scoring as the boxing was taking place. Everytime my son landed a strong, hard punch, which was clear and precise he would not receive a point, however his opponent would land punches on the shoulders, arms and gloves and rack up points for these none scoring blows. So where does the problem lie?
Getting younger officials is not the solution especially if they do not understand the science and art of boxing. When I decided to become an official, in my late 20’s, my son’s coach made me train and spar with the team, so I could get a good understanding of the various punches, combinations, movement and power. I also had to study tapes after tapes of every professional boxer you can think of starting with Jack Johnson all the way to Bernard Hopkins.
I continue to study and train with the boxing team now in my late 30’s. Every official should be required to go through a vigourous training of the sport of boxing. They need to be tested before every major ranking national tournament to ensure they know and understand what their responsibilities are. If they fail the test they do not work, volunteer or not.
These young boxers train extremely hard and the majority come from low financial backgrounds, so they put everything they have into training and getting to these tournaments only to have officials who do not understand the first thing about boxing and cheat them out of a fair decision. Many officials are more concerned about working the finals then doing their best for those two boxers in the ring and giving them a fair chance.
The scoring system definitely needs to be changed but the training of officials also needs to changed. Then maybe the USA may be back on top at the Olympics in the Amateur Boxing arena.
Thanks for the comment Tammy. It is always nice to have an expert make an illuminating comment on a post; I am merely a fan.
My background is just some PE classes and bouts (three 1 minute rounds against someone who also didn’t know how to box
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All I will add is that I am so glad that I am not getting hit by some of those non-scoring punches; once someone got an 8 count after a beautiful combintion that only scored as one punch.
One day, someone is going to get dropped by a non-scoring punch.
Look at the boxers who are successful at the Olympics. They all throw straight hard punches. The Cubans do it best. Our guys are undisciplined. Whether that is a result of the coaching, the US system, or the boxers themselves is unknown to me. They need to be trained in how to win Olympic bouts, not how to be a pro. Ireland sent 3 times as many boxers to the medal round as us!
foobar, I agree and said so in a later post (about the Cubans training to throw punches that get scored; as you said the “straight hands”.
One thing I am curious about: I haven’t seen anyone taken down by a body shot like you sometimes see in the pros; is this due to the heavier gloves?
I would agree with the winner in all the bouts I’ve watched, but that doesn’t mean the scoring system isn’t seriously messed up. I don’t see any real logic in what constitutes a point. I understand it has to be a clean blow with the white part of the glove, but I am seeing way too many clean blows that aren’t getting counted.
I was watching a recent fight were a boxer received a point for a blow, and his opponent got 2 points for an illegal blow…from the very same punch. If it was illegal, why did he get the point?
However, I think the commentators sometimes seem to be very biased with their criticisms of the scoring. I personally think the scoring is reasonably consistent…crappy, but consistent.
In the bout between Paddy Barnes and Zou Shiming, the commentators were utterly obsessed with the fact that Barnes didn’t get credit for two punches, one in the first round and one in the second round. Well guess what, that’s perfectly normal. In fact, in some fights it seems like only about half the clean punches get counted. I actually saw many times more punches from Zou that weren’t counted than for Barnes. I mean, this was a very one-sided fight. Even Paddy Barnes said he knew he didn’t win, but I agree when he says he should have had a few points.
I understand that they tried to make scoring more objective with this electronic scoring system, but I think it is even worse than professional boxing. Although I found some of the commentary to be quite biased, I definitely agree with the commentator I heard say: “this electronic scoring system is garbage.”
Blake, I agree that, for the most part, those who won deserved to. Nevertheless, I noticed that body attacks were often unrewarded and that some of the fights that had a lopsided score were actually quite competitive.
I’ve watched boxing, overall, for more than 60 year’s and this is the worst judging, in the Olympics I’ve ever witnessed. Maybe it’s the “Video game” control’s, Judges reflexes, not seeing a punch,…I don’t know. What I do know is,..develop a system that, for the most part “work’s.”
At the present time, the way I see it is to utilize the “10 point must, system.” This way, a boxer get’s say, 10 point’s per round and the other, maybe 9 or 8, etc. This system is not perfect by any mean’s but is so much better than the Olympic system. Thank’s.