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		<title>By: Football Afternoon Part II. &#171; blueollie</title>
		<link>http://blueollie.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/dreams-from-my-father-barack-obama/#comment-30214</link>
		<dc:creator>Football Afternoon Part II. &#171; blueollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Obama&#8217;s book: Dreams From My Father. I reviewed this book here. This New York Review of Books article compares Obama&#8217;s book to James Baldwin&#8217;s book [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ollie</title>
		<link>http://blueollie.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/dreams-from-my-father-barack-obama/#comment-27589</link>
		<dc:creator>ollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh7:  I bracketed those two topics together because BHO mentioned them in DFMF.  As far as the sexism he talked about: he referred to accepted wife beating, the &quot;giving away&quot; of women (e. g., their families marring them to men without their consent, etc. ) 

He didn&#039;t mention male circumcision.

Re: male circumcision: Frankly, I have questions about how desirable it is, even done under modern medical conditions and, had I had a son instead of a daughter, would have sought out the latest medical advice on it.

So, you do raise a valid topic, though it really didn&#039;t have anything to do with this book, and so I didn&#039;t mention it here.

I do know that Warren Farrell talks about such topics in the book &quot;Myth of Male Power&quot;.

Back to DFMF
And, if I recall directly, BHO didn&#039;t address the unequal treatment of men in the Kenyan culture, though he did mention the price that men had to pay to make ends meet while straddling their own culture with making a living by working with the occupying powers (in this case, the British), and noted the similarities between African men and African American men.

I can&#039;t speak for BHO, but it is my conjecture that male circumcision, though perhaps of doubtful value or even if it is harmful, has much less of a negative impact on men than female circumcision on women.

BHO did wrestle with the the question if it would really be considered progress if female circumcision continued, but was passed to the modern hospitals; he quotes an Kenyan professor talking about that on page 434.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh7:  I bracketed those two topics together because BHO mentioned them in DFMF.  As far as the sexism he talked about: he referred to accepted wife beating, the &#8220;giving away&#8221; of women (e. g., their families marring them to men without their consent, etc. ) </p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t mention male circumcision.</p>
<p>Re: male circumcision: Frankly, I have questions about how desirable it is, even done under modern medical conditions and, had I had a son instead of a daughter, would have sought out the latest medical advice on it.</p>
<p>So, you do raise a valid topic, though it really didn&#8217;t have anything to do with this book, and so I didn&#8217;t mention it here.</p>
<p>I do know that Warren Farrell talks about such topics in the book &#8220;Myth of Male Power&#8221;.</p>
<p>Back to DFMF<br />
And, if I recall directly, BHO didn&#8217;t address the unequal treatment of men in the Kenyan culture, though he did mention the price that men had to pay to make ends meet while straddling their own culture with making a living by working with the occupying powers (in this case, the British), and noted the similarities between African men and African American men.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for BHO, but it is my conjecture that male circumcision, though perhaps of doubtful value or even if it is harmful, has much less of a negative impact on men than female circumcision on women.</p>
<p>BHO did wrestle with the the question if it would really be considered progress if female circumcision continued, but was passed to the modern hospitals; he quotes an Kenyan professor talking about that on page 434.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh7</title>
		<link>http://blueollie.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/dreams-from-my-father-barack-obama/#comment-27587</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How does one keep the best in one’s culture without becoming irrational about hanging on to the stuff that needs to go? (e. g., sexism, female circumcision).&quot;

Sorry, I KNOW you won&#039;t want this topic here, but you bracketted &quot;sexism&quot; and &quot;female circumcision&quot; together without even noticing you were doing it. 

One of the most striking examples of sexism remaining in the western world today is the fierce condemnation of female circumcision and the enthusiastic endorsement of male circumcision. Yes, female genital cutting under primitive tribal conditions is often horrific and leaves terrible results, while male genital cutting is usually done surgically, aseptically and with anaesthetic - or out of earshot of the parents (usually - in Eastern Cape province, nearly 40 youths died of tribal circumcision each of the years 2000-5). But as human rights abuses they are both the same. Both are genital reduction surgeries done without the consent of the victim, and both are justified by their perpertrators and then their victims for an astonishing variety of irrational or disproved reasons - which replies to this message will now trot out, but only in the case of the male variety. To forestall the first of them, research suggests female genital cutting reduces the transmission of HIV - do you want to go there?</description>
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<p>Sorry, I KNOW you won&#8217;t want this topic here, but you bracketted &#8220;sexism&#8221; and &#8220;female circumcision&#8221; together without even noticing you were doing it. </p>
<p>One of the most striking examples of sexism remaining in the western world today is the fierce condemnation of female circumcision and the enthusiastic endorsement of male circumcision. Yes, female genital cutting under primitive tribal conditions is often horrific and leaves terrible results, while male genital cutting is usually done surgically, aseptically and with anaesthetic &#8211; or out of earshot of the parents (usually &#8211; in Eastern Cape province, nearly 40 youths died of tribal circumcision each of the years 2000-5). But as human rights abuses they are both the same. Both are genital reduction surgeries done without the consent of the victim, and both are justified by their perpertrators and then their victims for an astonishing variety of irrational or disproved reasons &#8211; which replies to this message will now trot out, but only in the case of the male variety. To forestall the first of them, research suggests female genital cutting reduces the transmission of HIV &#8211; do you want to go there?</p>
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		<title>By: Dreams From My Father: Barack Obama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dreams From My Father: Barack Obama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blueollie published an entertaining and interesting post on Dreams From My Father: Barack ObamaSee below for a small excerpt of the post: [...]</description>
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